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		<title>By: Reinventing America &#124; Social Revolution</title>
		<link>http://drsamonline.com/2009/01/12/miscellaneous/about-electronic-health-records/#comment-1090</link>
		<dc:creator>Reinventing America &#124; Social Revolution</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] Dr. Sam Online reports that most electronic health record systems are too difficult to use or expensive for the [...]]]></description>
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		<title>By: RK</title>
		<link>http://drsamonline.com/2009/01/12/miscellaneous/about-electronic-health-records/#comment-259</link>
		<dc:creator>RK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Aug 2010 03:49:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[We implemented EMR many years back and the cost was not prohibitive and we are in the process of switching to more unified PM/EMR with patient portal and other bells and whistles. 

Your argument is analogous to PC is much cheaper than MAC computer. I used to be believe in the hype as all of you are believing in the hype that EMR is expensive. Well, after switching to a more expensive MAC, I actually saved quite a lot of money. Here is how: No virus, no blue screen of death (BSOD), very reliable hardware (my MacPro is over 4 years old), and I actually use it to be very productive. If I had a much cheaper PC, I would have spent countless hours trying to fix and have very little time to actually work. 

EMR/EHR are the same way. You get what you pay for. Obviously a well developed EMR (eClinicalWorks, AllScripts etc) will save countless hours for the doctor in the long run, better patient care (ePrescribing, Drug interaction, pre-built database queries, patient access to charts by web, chart access to MD at home, PDA etc). 

It is very interesting that people like us who implemented EMR/EHR are quite happy but you see articles from Docs who are afraid of making the switch to EMR. 

I believe these Docs should stop griping, grow up and get EMR/EHR.

IMHO]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We implemented EMR many years back and the cost was not prohibitive and we are in the process of switching to more unified PM/EMR with patient portal and other bells and whistles. </p>
<p>Your argument is analogous to PC is much cheaper than MAC computer. I used to be believe in the hype as all of you are believing in the hype that EMR is expensive. Well, after switching to a more expensive MAC, I actually saved quite a lot of money. Here is how: No virus, no blue screen of death (BSOD), very reliable hardware (my MacPro is over 4 years old), and I actually use it to be very productive. If I had a much cheaper PC, I would have spent countless hours trying to fix and have very little time to actually work. </p>
<p>EMR/EHR are the same way. You get what you pay for. Obviously a well developed EMR (eClinicalWorks, AllScripts etc) will save countless hours for the doctor in the long run, better patient care (ePrescribing, Drug interaction, pre-built database queries, patient access to charts by web, chart access to MD at home, PDA etc). </p>
<p>It is very interesting that people like us who implemented EMR/EHR are quite happy but you see articles from Docs who are afraid of making the switch to EMR. </p>
<p>I believe these Docs should stop griping, grow up and get EMR/EHR.</p>
<p>IMHO</p>
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		<title>By: Robyn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robyn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Mar 2009 20:19:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[ATBoy Doc, You have hit it on the head. With this blog, I loved the system that the military uses for their hospitals and clinics. I don&#039;t see why no other civilian or veteran who happens to be a doctor and in the goverment didn&#039;t suggest this before but like you said it wouldn&#039;t go over well with the lobbyist or with those who make emrs. Hope someone will in office will take a look at this plan of your. AND KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK WITH THE IDEAS THAT MY HELP US ALL.

&lt;strong&gt;###

Robyn,

Thanks for your kind words.

Regarding your hope that someone in office will take a look, I think Joe above has a good idea in his plan to forward the idea to the folks in D.C. and to everyone on his email list.

I&#039;m content to simply put my ideas up here on the blog, but I&#039;m certainly not opposed to folks directing others here to have a look.

Cheers,

Sam

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ATBoy Doc, You have hit it on the head. With this blog, I loved the system that the military uses for their hospitals and clinics. I don&#8217;t see why no other civilian or veteran who happens to be a doctor and in the goverment didn&#8217;t suggest this before but like you said it wouldn&#8217;t go over well with the lobbyist or with those who make emrs. Hope someone will in office will take a look at this plan of your. AND KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK WITH THE IDEAS THAT MY HELP US ALL.</p>
<p><strong>###</p>
<p>Robyn,</p>
<p>Thanks for your kind words.</p>
<p>Regarding your hope that someone in office will take a look, I think Joe above has a good idea in his plan to forward the idea to the folks in D.C. and to everyone on his email list.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m content to simply put my ideas up here on the blog, but I&#8217;m certainly not opposed to folks directing others here to have a look.</p>
<p>Cheers,</p>
<p>Sam</p>
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		<title>By: Joe</title>
		<link>http://drsamonline.com/2009/01/12/miscellaneous/about-electronic-health-records/#comment-174</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Jan 2009 13:12:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi Sam,

I think this is a great idea!

I&#039;m going to print this post out and mail it to my congressman, my two senators, and to the White House!

I&#039;m also going to send a link to everyone on my email list and tell them to do the same thing.

We need more good common sense ideas like this to make their way to D.C.

Keep the good ideas coming, Doc!!!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Sam,</p>
<p>I think this is a great idea!</p>
<p>I&#8217;m going to print this post out and mail it to my congressman, my two senators, and to the White House!</p>
<p>I&#8217;m also going to send a link to everyone on my email list and tell them to do the same thing.</p>
<p>We need more good common sense ideas like this to make their way to D.C.</p>
<p>Keep the good ideas coming, Doc!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Camela Sutton</title>
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		<dc:creator>Camela Sutton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Jan 2009 05:38:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Kaiser Permanente Northwest has a wonderful system, and all the doctors and nurses love it.  When I lived in Southern California, the Kaiser there still used pen/paper, and things took longer than with a chisel!  Awful and annoying for all. When we moved, Kaiser SoCal was supposedly supposed to be changing over.  Anyway, I have been very pleased with the efficiency for me and my family as patients.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kaiser Permanente Northwest has a wonderful system, and all the doctors and nurses love it.  When I lived in Southern California, the Kaiser there still used pen/paper, and things took longer than with a chisel!  Awful and annoying for all. When we moved, Kaiser SoCal was supposedly supposed to be changing over.  Anyway, I have been very pleased with the efficiency for me and my family as patients.</p>
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		<title>By: Reinventing America</title>
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		<dc:creator>Reinventing America</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Jan 2009 22:37:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Jac</title>
		<link>http://drsamonline.com/2009/01/12/miscellaneous/about-electronic-health-records/#comment-168</link>
		<dc:creator>Jac</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jan 2009 19:10:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Dr. Sam,

I was directed to your blog via a posting by StanR on the Obama Transition Team&#039;s website change.gov.  I find it refreshing that a physician is contemplating the Electronic Patient Record.  I represent a coalition of healthcare data providers who are also thinking about this, but from a more specific aspect of data standards.  We will not argue the need for EPR or other industry-related data, we are just advocating for standards in how the data is collected, transmitted, and aggregated. We are drafting a White Paper on this subject, and while it is not yet ready for release, I think you may be interested in an excerpt:

&quot;...The good news is that leading edge health providers which have adopted these standards report hundreds of millions of dollars in annual cost reductions, which translates into lower healthcare costs for patients.  Premier, in conjunction with the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid, conducted a Hospital Quality Incentive Demonstration Project from 2003 through 2006.  The Project required the participating hospitals to report clinical and financial data in detail which had never before been done.  One of the more intriguing findings was that the participant hospitals which had the best clinical outcomes, also had the lowest cost for providing the related care.  The obvious message for American healthcare is that better data can translate into better care and lower costs for all Americans. ...&quot;

Specifically to your suggestion, while it shows that you are giving serious thought to this issue, may I offer that adopting a government solution to a national problem is a non-starter.  No matter how good the government solution is, commercial enterprises offering competing platforms will do everything in their power to halt any progress, rather than risk corporate failure.  A better solution might be to provide the details regarding the government&#039;s solution to commercial data system providers, recommending that they adapt these new ideas to their current offerings.  Health reform will come more quickly, and the outcome will be more perfect if commercial enterprise is not shut out of the process.

&lt;strong&gt;####

Thanks for the feedback.

If you read much of this blog, I think you will find that I am in no way the type of person who thinks that government has the best answers or that commercial enterprises should be shut out of the process.

The software system I talk about was actually developed for the government by the private sector.  The feds have already spent billions of dollars developing this system.

In a perfect world, I&#039;d have the government get out of the healthcare business almost entirely.

This is not my perfect world however.  This is the real world and in this real world, we&#039;ve just elected a President and Congress who seem hell bent on having a further takeover of the nations healthcare system by the government.

Part of their proposed actions involves mandating universal coverage and that all patients have electronic health records.

If they simply mandate this as a requirement of healthcare entities (doctors, hospitals, etc), they are essentially saying to them, &quot;Hey guys, here&#039;s this big mandate.  You better get ready to cough up some dough to meet it.&quot;

In spite of whatever studies you might wish to cite which show that in the long run these healthcare entities might save money by using electronic health records, there is still a huge up-front cost.  By far, the biggest part of that up front cost is the actual software that commercial enterprises are currently offering on the market.

Naturally, this represents a huge hurdle to any such entity that might be thus affected by the mandate.

Contrary to popular belief, many hospitals, doctors, etc are currently operating on very thin margins, and in fact many are currently operating at a financial loss.

Such a huge unfunded mandate could be the final nail in the coffin for many of these entities.

Naturally, such a huge unfunded government mandate can expect to be met with resistance from the folks on its receiving end.

So, the natural inclination of the big government crowd will likely be to try and use a carrot and stick approach, offering punishments for those who don&#039;t comply and perhaps offering tax incentives, grant funds, etc to encourage compliance.

Of course the commercial enterprises you mention all stand to benefit greatly from this (at the expense of the healthcare entities and the taxpayers).

What I am proposing is that rather than offer silly tax incentives or bureaucracy heavy grants, etc as the carrot, why not simply offer for free download, the software that currently exists, already works and has already been paid for by the taxpayers?

Ultimately, the rational used by the politicians to try and mandate use of electronic records is supposedly so that healthcare costs will go down and delivery will be safer and more efficient.

Why should the purpose of pushing for electronic healthcare records be subverted into some sort of corporate welfare program for software vendors?

As mentioned toward the end of my post, I am in agreement with you that the current corporate entities would certainly do everything in their power to stop my proposal.  Naturally, they would love to have their coffers enriched, and my proposal would get in their way in this regard.

Again, use the Interstate Highways as a model for comparison.  Should Eisenhower have simply scrapped the idea because of fear that commercial toll-road enterprises would stand to lose money and therefore lobby against a federal highway system?

And before somebody tries to say that my proposal is some sort of corporate welfare program for healthcare entities, I say bullocks.  Even with the software for free, this will cost plenty of money, time and aggravation for any and all hospitals, doctors, etc that are forced to adopt this software to replace whatever medical records systems they are currently using.

It will be a giant pain in their ass and in their wallets.  Offering a standardized already existing software package for free download would at least soften that blow somewhat.  It would also soften the blow to the already strapped taxpayers since this is an electronic health records system that they have already paid several billion dollars for, rather than forcing them to spend billions more for some other system or systems to be developed and implemented.

Again, thanks for the input.

And thanks to StanR for directing you this way.

Sam&lt;/strong&gt;



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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dr. Sam,</p>
<p>I was directed to your blog via a posting by StanR on the Obama Transition Team&#8217;s website change.gov.  I find it refreshing that a physician is contemplating the Electronic Patient Record.  I represent a coalition of healthcare data providers who are also thinking about this, but from a more specific aspect of data standards.  We will not argue the need for EPR or other industry-related data, we are just advocating for standards in how the data is collected, transmitted, and aggregated. We are drafting a White Paper on this subject, and while it is not yet ready for release, I think you may be interested in an excerpt:</p>
<p>&#8220;&#8230;The good news is that leading edge health providers which have adopted these standards report hundreds of millions of dollars in annual cost reductions, which translates into lower healthcare costs for patients.  Premier, in conjunction with the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid, conducted a Hospital Quality Incentive Demonstration Project from 2003 through 2006.  The Project required the participating hospitals to report clinical and financial data in detail which had never before been done.  One of the more intriguing findings was that the participant hospitals which had the best clinical outcomes, also had the lowest cost for providing the related care.  The obvious message for American healthcare is that better data can translate into better care and lower costs for all Americans. &#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>Specifically to your suggestion, while it shows that you are giving serious thought to this issue, may I offer that adopting a government solution to a national problem is a non-starter.  No matter how good the government solution is, commercial enterprises offering competing platforms will do everything in their power to halt any progress, rather than risk corporate failure.  A better solution might be to provide the details regarding the government&#8217;s solution to commercial data system providers, recommending that they adapt these new ideas to their current offerings.  Health reform will come more quickly, and the outcome will be more perfect if commercial enterprise is not shut out of the process.</p>
<p><strong>####</p>
<p>Thanks for the feedback.</p>
<p>If you read much of this blog, I think you will find that I am in no way the type of person who thinks that government has the best answers or that commercial enterprises should be shut out of the process.</p>
<p>The software system I talk about was actually developed for the government by the private sector.  The feds have already spent billions of dollars developing this system.</p>
<p>In a perfect world, I&#8217;d have the government get out of the healthcare business almost entirely.</p>
<p>This is not my perfect world however.  This is the real world and in this real world, we&#8217;ve just elected a President and Congress who seem hell bent on having a further takeover of the nations healthcare system by the government.</p>
<p>Part of their proposed actions involves mandating universal coverage and that all patients have electronic health records.</p>
<p>If they simply mandate this as a requirement of healthcare entities (doctors, hospitals, etc), they are essentially saying to them, &#8220;Hey guys, here&#8217;s this big mandate.  You better get ready to cough up some dough to meet it.&#8221;</p>
<p>In spite of whatever studies you might wish to cite which show that in the long run these healthcare entities might save money by using electronic health records, there is still a huge up-front cost.  By far, the biggest part of that up front cost is the actual software that commercial enterprises are currently offering on the market.</p>
<p>Naturally, this represents a huge hurdle to any such entity that might be thus affected by the mandate.</p>
<p>Contrary to popular belief, many hospitals, doctors, etc are currently operating on very thin margins, and in fact many are currently operating at a financial loss.</p>
<p>Such a huge unfunded mandate could be the final nail in the coffin for many of these entities.</p>
<p>Naturally, such a huge unfunded government mandate can expect to be met with resistance from the folks on its receiving end.</p>
<p>So, the natural inclination of the big government crowd will likely be to try and use a carrot and stick approach, offering punishments for those who don&#8217;t comply and perhaps offering tax incentives, grant funds, etc to encourage compliance.</p>
<p>Of course the commercial enterprises you mention all stand to benefit greatly from this (at the expense of the healthcare entities and the taxpayers).</p>
<p>What I am proposing is that rather than offer silly tax incentives or bureaucracy heavy grants, etc as the carrot, why not simply offer for free download, the software that currently exists, already works and has already been paid for by the taxpayers?</p>
<p>Ultimately, the rational used by the politicians to try and mandate use of electronic records is supposedly so that healthcare costs will go down and delivery will be safer and more efficient.</p>
<p>Why should the purpose of pushing for electronic healthcare records be subverted into some sort of corporate welfare program for software vendors?</p>
<p>As mentioned toward the end of my post, I am in agreement with you that the current corporate entities would certainly do everything in their power to stop my proposal.  Naturally, they would love to have their coffers enriched, and my proposal would get in their way in this regard.</p>
<p>Again, use the Interstate Highways as a model for comparison.  Should Eisenhower have simply scrapped the idea because of fear that commercial toll-road enterprises would stand to lose money and therefore lobby against a federal highway system?</p>
<p>And before somebody tries to say that my proposal is some sort of corporate welfare program for healthcare entities, I say bullocks.  Even with the software for free, this will cost plenty of money, time and aggravation for any and all hospitals, doctors, etc that are forced to adopt this software to replace whatever medical records systems they are currently using.</p>
<p>It will be a giant pain in their ass and in their wallets.  Offering a standardized already existing software package for free download would at least soften that blow somewhat.  It would also soften the blow to the already strapped taxpayers since this is an electronic health records system that they have already paid several billion dollars for, rather than forcing them to spend billions more for some other system or systems to be developed and implemented.</p>
<p>Again, thanks for the input.</p>
<p>And thanks to StanR for directing you this way.</p>
<p>Sam</strong></p>
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